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Me
    01/05/06 at 08:05 AM
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PLease clear this up for me.

I do not give my birds dairy. I was told its a no no!

(yogurt?)

I have seen several bird food recipies that included cheese.

 

I am lost....

 

Bobbie
    01/05/06 at 12:46 PM
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Processed cheese (like those single slices) in very small bits is okay but no diary as birds, like us humans, are lactose intolerant. They cannot digest it. I myself wouldn't even give my birds the processed cheese, nor the cheese on pizza.  My birds love pizza but the cheese comes off.

I hope I have helped some.

Bobbie & Birdz

Nora
    01/05/06 at 01:00 PM
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Hi: I have been told a small amount of yogurt and very very small cheese only occasionally is ok.  Certainly not in large amounts and hardly ever. My birds also like soy yogurt. They do get an occasional tiny snack of mozzerella and they do fine, no diarrhea. SOme may err on the side of caution and never give it, but I do occasionlly give a tiny piece.

Beatriz Cazeneuve
    01/05/06 at 01:52 PM
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Birds, on the one hand, get no benefit whatsoever out of products made from milk, they just don't have the enzymes necessary to digest them and food that is not digested just goes right through the system without any of the components getting absorbed by the intestines.  On the other hand, some of them are highly lactose intolerant so the safest thing is not to give them any.  I do admit to giving mine the occasional gloop with a tiny bit of grated Romano cheese in it for flavoring but only once in a while and after carefully checking their stools to make sure it's not upsetting their digestion.

Soy or tofu products like milk, ice cream, cheeses, etc are safe in that they don't contain any lactose but they are also very high in protein, another no-no for parrots, so I don't give any to my birds.

Linda
    01/05/06 at 02:00 PM
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I've been giving my birds small amounts of cheese (nickel sized piece of part-skim Mozzarella for a cockatoo size bird, half that for a conure-size bird, daily) for 15 years.  While some birds don't like it, most relish it, and eat it first.  I've not had any show negative side effects from the cheese; however,  a friend of mine had an Umbrella cockatoo get sick from it--it never left the crop and was pinpointed by an avian vet as the cause of the bird's distress. Two weeks later, the person foolishly fed cheese again and the same thing happened.  In my case, please realize that fifteen years ago, information on diet and care of parrots was not what it is today--the information was often flatout wrong or conflicting, if you could find anything at all to help determine a healthy diet for your parrot.  If you haven't given your bird cheese, I'd say don't risk it.  There's not much benefit, nutritionally, that can't be found elsewhere, and it's salty.  Birds that don't tolerate it can have serious problems.

 

Yogurt seems well tolerated by most birds, and is a beneficial food in very small quantities (promotes bacterial flora), particularly if your bird is on an antibiotic regimen.  However, with anywhere from 50 to 80 birds in our private sanctuary over the years, we've not had one bird--not even one--that would touch yogurt with a ten foot pole.  Go figure.

 

In conclusion:  if you feed a combination of clean, nutritious fresh food (spinach, corn, carrots, broccoli, blueberries, a little whole wheat product, a little banana), some healthy nuts and seeds, and a quality pellet (preferably organic for all of the above, if possible), give your bird proper mental and physical exercise and companionship, and keep your bird's cage clean, you shouldn't ever need to consider the pros and cons of cheese and yogurt.

 

 

 

Jenn
    01/05/06 at 03:39 PM
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My thought is better safe than sorry. No to dairy...I do not thinks eggs (Cooked) fall into that category.

If you want to add the benefical bacteria that yogurt provides into their diet, then my suggestion is to add acidophillis and lactobacillis into their food. You can find powders as well as liquid forms of this in any health food store.

I say no to cheese and other dairy items.

Nicholas E. Sitinas, VMD
    01/06/06 at 12:52 PM
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KH : as a general rule birds should not have the necessary enzymes to properly digest dairy products and therefore I do not recommend them.  Things that are high in animal protein and fats such cheeses are also bad for birds livers, blood vessels, and kidneys.  
However an occasional nibble of low fat yoghurt as a treat (if it is tolerated by your bird  should pose no problems.
 
Nicholas E. Sitinas VMD
Dipl. ABVP, Avian Specialty
Immediate Past President-Fairfield County VMA
Beatriz Cazeneuve
    01/06/06 at 03:17 PM
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For beneficial bacteria, there's nothing like Avian BeneBac, no need to feed yogurt.

Eric
    01/06/06 at 03:29 PM
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Hi people,

I am new to this group. Besides my other animals, my wife and I have two parakeets – Pinky and the Brain.

My vet told me that he is in favor of the ‘ smorgasbord diet ‘ for parrots and parakeets, meaning besides seeds he gives them a little of anything he is eating except for sugar, chocolate, coffee and avocados. Everything else is fine I was told.

Eric

Beatriz Cazeneuve
    01/06/06 at 04:00 PM
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Well, I would not go by that vet's opinion unless he was a strict vegetarian who only consumed organic and whole grains with no onions, salt, iceberg lettuce, white sugar, anything fried or stewed, artichokes, eggplant, etc.  Parrots were not made by Nature to eat people's food. 

Phyllis
    02/23/07 at 11:03 AM
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I was told by two vets that yogurt is okay to give to our birds.   Dr. Lochak of the Animal Health Center said it is good as a form of calcium and so did Dr. Mollica of St. Marks Vet. 

 

Beatriz Cazeneuve
    02/23/07 at 12:16 PM
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Phyllis, the reason why they said that is because calcium cannot be absorbed if a particular protein is not present in the body.  This protein can only be made with the presence of vitamin D3, which cannot be produced by the body without exposure to low ultra violet light, something you only get from direct exposure to sunlight (meaning not through glass).   Milk (or yoghurt) has vitamin D3 because it's an animal product (vitamin D3 is only found in animal flesh or animal products like milk and eggs, vegetables don't have it).

But why give birds a milk product when all of them are lactose intolerant (they are not mammals so nature did not give them the enzyme necessary to digest lactose) and would get loose stools from it to provide it with calcium when all you have to do is give them avian liquid calcium (which is especially created for birds) twice a week?  Does that make sense to you?  Because it doesn't to me.

 

Not all avian vets give the right advice all the time.  I know it's going to sound strange but, unfortunately for our birds, when it comes to diet and nutrition, avian vets are not that knowledgeable.  I always recommend listening to them, making a mental note of their advice and then double-checking it by doing your own research and reaching your own conclusions.  Safer that way.

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